Working in Germany - Response
Thought November 11th, 2007I found this entry about working in Germany from a scholarship mailing list blog. It is about motivating (Indonesian) people to work in Germany as skilled labour in high tech area. Some of the comments were interested and some remained sceptical. Funny is that those who were sceptical are people who graduated from german universities or at least, still studying in Germany. From my sight, I do see that Germany has a shortage of high qualified skilled labour. I have been working at some typical german’s main corporates, and I saw how long it needed before a vacancy could be occupied. But it doesn’t mean that anyone, even one who doesn’t speak German at all and never been in Germany could easily find a job in high tech sector.
First, the immigration rules come as a disadvantage for people from a non-European Union (EU) country like Indonesia. My job was hanged at Federal Employment Office for 6 weeks to search for a German or EU citizen who also qualified for my job. To be honest, during this time I was really anxious to see whether someone really could replace me and convince my employer that he is better suited for the job than me
After 6 weeks, I got the working permit. Despite the fact that I’m also graduated from a german university, this process must be done because the immigration rules that give first priority for German or EU citizen.
Second, fluency in German is really important. Yes, you can survive with English here, but it gives you a lot of relief if you got fluency in German. Of course, there will be always exceptions and you heard of a friend of your friend from your second cousin of your neighbour that he is working in Germany without German knowledge. But as an expatriate in Germany I dare to say that German knowledge is important to make you comfortable here.
But after all, it is really an interesting chance you shouldn’t miss if you got an offering in Germany. Germany belongs to the core economic power of European Union, it has nice cultural activity you shouldn’t miss, and especially if you working in a main german’s metropole such as Berlin, Frankfurt or Munich you will get a lot of nice european impressions. As said before, Germany DO have shortage of skilled labour in high tech sector. So, to make it short: it is not impossible to gain an offering in Germany, but one should keep in mind there are also burdens to be coped with.
May 18th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
I agree that Germany DO have shortage of skilled labour in high tech sector.
I am a living proof that Indonesian can get a high tech position in Germany. I got a job offer in Germany with very challenging project and competitive salary. I do not have a degree from Germany and I don’t speak German.
Unfortunately I have to turned down the offer because I have to finish my Contract with French company.
Anyway, working in the Europe, especially in high tech is possible if you are qualified.
Regards,
Adhiguna
France
May 21st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Hi Adhiguna,
maybe you should ask the company if they could hold/delay the offer for you. Sometimes it works, especially if they really need your skills. Just a tip from me: never sign a limited contract from a german company
June 20th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Hi Mike,
Can you explain why shouldn’t I sign the limited contract ?
Actually the German company has contacted me again for the same position (I can’t believe from all qualified Europeans why can’t they select one person for that position? are they really lack of high qualified person here?? )
But the thing is that the French company employed me for the contract job is also willing to extend my contract plus PhD sponsorship.
So this is really confusing choice.
Working in Germany(bigger salary) or France (lower salary with PhD possibility).
Kayaknya yang perlu dipertimbangkan employer Jerman kayaknya lebih nggak asik dibanding Perancis ya, lebih strict gitu kayaknya.
cewek2nya juga ya, cewek Jerman kalah cakep ma cewek Perancis hehe (pake indo biar employer gue gak ngerti hehe)
June 29th, 2008 at 2:03 am
Sorry for the late reply, Adhiguna. I’ve been kinda busy lately
If the german company explicitly showing their interest for your skill, you have a strong bargain position. Maybe you could ask for more salary (more than they offered last time), extra facilities or even also the opportunity doing your PhD. Most of the colleagues holding a PhD degree I’ve known so far also got funded from companies they working at, which means you could get both advantages (bigger salary with PhD opportunity).
Tentang mentalitas org Jerman, memang org Jerman lebih serius dibanding orang Prancis, tapi baik juga kok, khususnya kalo udah ada bir di tangan
Kalo cewe nya gw no komen dech, ngga doyan bule soalnya
June 30th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Dear Mike, thanks for your reply.
Yes the German company is now offering me PhD as well.
So now I have two offers in my hand:
France, a multinational company with 17.000 employees, medium salary, PhD opportunity, backingan kuat dari prof2 gue di Perancis.
Germany, multinational company with 6000 employees, high salary, PhD opportunity.
Now I am really confused, jujur kerjaannya gue senengan yang di Perancis. Tapi gajinya gede di Jerman.
Mike btw I love martial art as well, I was muay thai practitioner back in Indonesia. Hey if you come to Nord Pa De Calais, France, someday, feel free to come by.
Regards,
Adhiguna
July 21st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Hello Adhiguna, nice to see you stopping by again!
First, congrats for the offer from the german company. Not everyone can get an offer like yours
But still, I want to confirm, they dont offer you a limited contract, do they? You should be careful of this stuff, because it could influence your personal planning in Germany (career opportunities, housing, immigration stuff etc). Put some pressure on the germans until they give you an unlimited contract, you are in a very strong bargaining position and they know it as you do. If this point is cleared, in my opinion there is no reason to keep you stay in France, except maybe the job description you were talking about and of course because of the girls.
Anyway, do you have Xing? Same as you, feel free if you come by to Frankfurt, I’ll be glad to meet you in personal.
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:19 am
Dear Mike, after a negotiation, finally I got salary yang sangat bagus di Perancis (sama dengan Jerman). Juga dapat unlimited contract. I love the job daripada yang di Jerman plus I have a French degree and speak French, so I think everything are easier here than in Germany. So I took the French offer. Thanks for the insight bro, good luck to you …
Best Regards,
Adhiguna
September 11th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
hi mike, I am a 5th semester student and my university is given me a chance to do an internship at german for next semester. I am studying Industrial/ Business engineering (Wirtschaftsingenieur).Do you have any information to where should I apply my CV. My german language is also not so good. It is only about A2 certified (if I take a course on Goethe Institute). How about living cost in such an Industrial city? Thanks.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Hi Kiki, jobpilot.de and monster.de are good places to start looking for a vacancy. If you are only A2 certified, then don’t lie, just said it in your resume that you are A2 certified. About living cost, you will need at least 500-600 Euro/month. I hope that helps.